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Instead of giving her a "pass," I took it upon myself to look into it and understand the issues at stake... and I STILL cannot call her a "liberal."
I agree with you that Palin cannot be called a liberal, but primarily because she just isn't smart enough to be a liberal. O.K., now THAT was original AND clever.
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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Here's what two recent national polls say about the health of the GOP:
* In the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll, only 17 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans (as opposed to 30 percent for the Democrats, and 44 for independents). Source: NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll taken in late Oct. 2009
* CNN Poll: GOP favorable rating lowest in a decade Posted: October 23rd, 2009 11:54 AM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) – The Republican Party's favorable rating among Americans is at lowest level in at least a decade, according to a new national poll. Thirty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, with 54 percent viewing the GOP negatively.
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Fight for Justice (12/28/2009)
Here's what two recent national polls say about the health of the GOP:
* In the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll, only 17 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans (as opposed to 30 percent for the Democrats, and 44 for independents). Source: NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll taken in late Oct. 2009
* CNN Poll: GOP favorable rating lowest in a decade Posted: October 23rd, 2009 11:54 AM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) – The Republican Party's favorable rating among Americans is at lowest level in at least a decade, according to a new national poll. Thirty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, with 54 percent viewing the GOP negatively.
O.K., then according to you, we no longer have to worry about the GOP.
By my tally, that's one down, one to go.
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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Fight for Justice (12/28/2009)
Here's what two recent national polls say about the health of the GOP:
* In the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll, only 17 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans (as opposed to 30 percent for the Democrats, and 44 for independents). Source: NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll taken in late Oct. 2009
* CNN Poll: GOP favorable rating lowest in a decade Posted: October 23rd, 2009 11:54 AM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) – The Republican Party's favorable rating among Americans is at lowest level in at least a decade, according to a new national poll. Thirty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, with 54 percent viewing the GOP negatively.
Do the same search for CONSERVATIVES vs. LIBERALS and see what you come up with.
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Fight for Justice (12/28/2009)
Here's what two recent national polls say about the health of the GOP:
* In the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll, only 17 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans (as opposed to 30 percent for the Democrats, and 44 for independents). Source: NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll taken in late Oct. 2009
* CNN Poll: GOP favorable rating lowest in a decade Posted: October 23rd, 2009 11:54 AM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) – The Republican Party's favorable rating among Americans is at lowest level in at least a decade, according to a new national poll. Thirty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, with 54 percent viewing the GOP negatively.
Do the same search for CONSERVATIVES vs. LIBERALS and see what you come up with. Yeppers!
Most liberal zealots confuse "conservatives" with "the Republican party." Few seem to have understood the neo-conservative movement of the early 2000's. That seperated more than a few true conservatives from the GOP ideology ... but s-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h: Don't let 'em in on the secret. 
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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Most liberal zealots confuse "conservatives" with "the Republican party."
And there are Republicans out there who think Reagan and Bush were conservative.
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tLIB (1/4/2010)
Most liberal zealots confuse "conservatives" with "the Republican party."
And there are Republicans out there who think Reagan and Bush were conservative.
There are also neo-conservative libertarian wannabes who think Reagan was a liberal (not biting the bait about Bush: My arguments with him are well documented). 
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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Hoover was very conservative. He didn't spend much money and even cut spending when the Depression hit. He didn't want to run the debt up because taxes dropped because of the economic times. The Depression worsened sadly. 1933 was the worst year. Then Roosevelt came along and spent money. I consider FDR fiscally liberal.
Carter kept the debt relatively low. He reminded me of Hoover. The economy was going down the tubes and he continued to be tight with the money. Then Reagan was elected and turned that around. The debt skyrocketed. Reagan was a fiscal liberal, but like Roosevelt the economy improved under his "liberalness".
Perhaps, in the world of the Federal Reserve and "free money", there is a need for these liberals, especially with these wild swings in the economy.
Before the Federal Reserve money was backed by gold and silver. Was that good?? Some people think so. I used to. But after reading about the panics, I am not sure. JP Morgan bailed out the Federal Government once when they fell short of funds. After all, the government couldn't print money back then.
So IMO we have three choices:
1) Back the money by gold and tax people to build roads etc.
2) Have a central bank like the Federal Reserve and print money and run the debt up.
3) Get rid of the central bank and have the government print the money and have zero debt and zero taxes.
Before someone says "we need taxes", let me remind you that our taxes don't even cover the interest on the debt. It is foolishness to run up a debt.
In choice 2 and 3 we have to deal with inflation. Only in choice 3 do we not have to have taxes and debt.
Ouch.... Hey why did you kick that soap box out from under me...
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| Oh, BTW, does someone have a number 4??? I would like to hear it.
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tLIB (1/6/2010)
Oh, BTW, does someone have a number 4??? I would like to hear it.
Perhaps a #4 would be to keep the current system, but let the free market type of arrangement drive it.
For example, in a free market system, DEMAND drives production. MAYBE those who use the roads should be allowed to decide whether this road needs to be resurfaced OR that electrical substation needs to be built. "O.K., [town/city], you've got $XXXX dollars, and no more: What is the more important project?"
Reduce the Federal Government to the bare-bones necessity: Volunteer legislators, limited staffs (wouldn't THAT be nice? Legislators that had to do their own research and writing!!! TALK about paperwork reduction!), oversight of ONLY efforts with nationwide implications. No czars, very few cabinet secretaries ("Education, gone...Human Services, gone...Labor, gone...etc.): Strictly an Article 1, Section 8 kind of Federal government.
Put the states in charge of almost everything (other than the stuff a federal government SHOULD oversee) but limit them in how much they can collect in taxes. REQUIRE state and federal budgets that are both balanced and MANDATED (in other words, they can't spend more money than they say they'll spend OR than they collect).
IF the insurance industry, as an example, wants a NATIONAL licensure instead of having to be licensed in each state, that's something they can go to the Fed with but they have to bring the states in on it since it will impact them too.
Simplify the tax code and remove almost all exemptions and almost all exclusions. Keep the business expense deductions for all VERIFIED business expenses (down to dollar one), but basically a flat rate tax form consisting of "how much did you make this year?" ___________ (attach evidence), "Attach check for XX%"
Kind of a lengthy #4, but I think it could work.
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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