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So no politician can offer a better way (i.e. Huckabee) NOW and be accepted by you because it would "wreak of politics"?
I'll throw out a few Reagan items from an earlier thread of yours that you never responded to.
I'm sure you and others will chastise me for it but i happen to believe Reagan (and a cooperative Congress) would have had the "crisis" already turning around AND without near the debt this administration has put us in.
Reagan did the following...
**Took inflation from 12.5% down to 4.4%
**Took unemployment from a peak of 10.8% in 1982 down to 5.5% by the end of his term.
**Grew the GDP by an average of 3.4% per year during his 8 years.
**Nearly doubled Fed. income tax receipts from 1980 to 1989 all while CUTTING taxes.
**Created 16 million new jobs
I personally think, if he were president TODAY, we wouldn't be in near the mess we are. He would be "righting the ship" much faster than the current administration instead of bitching about how Bush "spent recklessly" and then proceeding to spend MORE recklessly!
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| MPH, do you believe that there was any way that Reagan actually caused some of the financial crisis that we are experiencing today?
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ILVet (10/26/2009)
MPH, do you believe that there was any way that Reagan actually caused some of the financial crisis that we are experiencing today?Actually, if you want to get back to the roots of it, you'd have to start with Carter. Reagan didn't have so much of an explicit role as he did a complicit role in not doing anything about the "rules" carter signed.
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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ILVet (10/26/2009)
MPH, do you believe that there was any way that Reagan actually caused some of the financial crisis that we are experiencing today?
No, I don't. But, I'd be interested to hear how you think he did.
BTW, do you deny that he accomplished the things I listed? (obviously not solely, but they were, in part at least, his "policies")
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ILVet (10/26/2009)
MPH, do you believe that there was any way that Reagan actually caused some of the financial crisis that we are experiencing today?
No, I don't. But, I'd be interested to hear how you think he did.
BTW, do you deny that he accomplished the things I listed? (obviously not solely, but they were, in part at least, his "policies")
So, I guess you're not interested in giving me your thoughts?
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MPH (10/26/2009)
So no politician can offer a better way (i.e. Huckabee) NOW and be accepted by you because it would "wreak of politics"
It does wreak of politics. Ron Paul voted against all of the big spending bills, but did the Republicans vote for him? No, the Republicans (not me though) voted for McCain as the nominee. Huckabee should have been in there complaining about the spending long before now.
I don't mean to single out Huckabee, because like I said before, he was my second favorite candidate behind Ron Paul. The rest of the bunch were even worse. Romney, Guiliani...
Where were all of these Republicans, including the voters, when the Republicans led by the Bush Administration spent so much money? Now they complain about Obama being a big spender.
It reminds me of an interview I saw the other day where a Democrat Congressman complained that some of the same Republicans who voted against a few billion dollars to help stop the spread of the swine flu are now complaining that the government is not doing enough to stop it. Give me a break! Where is their consistency?
I guess they can always say "what is done is done", but it is because they squandered Americas resources and money, that Obama is in there. Now it is a little too late to get religion and complain about a bloated government.
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I think Ron Paul explains it pretty good here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1grSrasToHI&feature=player_embedded
We should have cut spending over the past 8 years. Where were the Republicans. Now they want to cut spending? When we are in a deep recession? POLITICS!
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tLIB (10/30/2009)
We should have cut spending over the past 8 years. Where were the Republicans. Now they want to cut spending? When we are in a deep recession? POLITICS!
The Republicans, when George Bush was in the white house, weren't doing what we sent them to there to do EITHER. Yes, they SHOULD have cut government, expenses, and social programs. But they did not... and there ain't diddly we can do about it now (frankly, as you note "politics," there wasn't diddly we could do about it back then, either, or surely we would have).
But, we should be cutting spending NOW. Reduce the deficit NOW.
Unfortunately, though, there's probably not diddly we can do about it now, either.
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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MPH (10/29/2009)
So, I guess you're not interested in giving me your thoughts?
Easy there slappy. Some people have lives outside of this little forum.
But, I'd be interested to hear how you think he did.
I never stated my beliefs on the matter. I have heard the argument though that the foundation was laid by Reagan for the current economic crisis, primarily through his funding, arming, and development of what he termed, "Freedom Fighters" in Afghanistan.
Some also say that mindless dimwit mouthbreathers who follow their messiah Reagan are really missing the big picture.
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ILVet (11/1/2009)
Some also say that mindless dimwit mouthbreathers who follow their messiah Reagan are really missing the big picture.It has been my observation that only mindless dimwit mouthbreather Obama sycophants call anyone else who appreciated any Republican by the term that applies mostly to themselves.
Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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