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Posted Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:06 AM


 

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tLIB (9/21/2009)
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But like tLIB is letting his experience with his insurer overshadow his opinion of the entire industry,


LOL - you crack me up. It is not just my experience that solidifies my views. Sure I have had a bad experience, but I have also seen interviews of others who have had even worse things happen. And then there are the interviews of those who work in the industry - like the lady who had to handle the calls of those who had their claims denied. And then recently Wendall Potter described the strategy from a different level.

I broke my hand a few years ago.  I paid $2000 out of pocket while my insurance paid the other $18000.  Are you going to add that to your view, or is it already solidified

It is amazing how combative I get in the morning.  I call this my caffeine rage.

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Posted Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:00 AM


 

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mrlobo69 (9/22/2009)

I broke my hand a few years ago.  I paid $2000 out of pocket while my insurance paid the other $18000.  Are you going to add that to your view, or is it already solidified

It is amazing how combative I get in the morning.  I call this my caffeine rage.

That's not too bad.  About 4 years ago I had to have minor surgery on my left hand.  Out of pocket cost was just over $8000, Insurance was kind enough to pay $425.  There are examples of bad experiences with insurance as well as the good.  Bottom line, it shouldn't be this way.

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Posted Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:19 AM


 

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I broke my hand a few years ago.  I paid $2000 out of pocket while my insurance paid the other $18000.  Are you going to add that to your view, or is it already solidified

It is amazing how combative I get in the morning.  I call this my caffeine rage.

That's not too bad.  About 4 years ago I had to have minor surgery on my left hand.  Out of pocket cost was just over $8000, Insurance was kind enough to pay $425.  There are examples of bad experiences with insurance as well as the good.  Bottom line, it shouldn't be this way.

But both you and Lobo were/are in charge of WHICH policies you bought, right?

OR were you covered by some government option type of insurance?

Everyone I know has chosen the policy they want and most of those decisions were made using "how much will I pay out of pocket" as the determining factor:  NOT EVEN "How much will the insurance company pay" because at the point of purchase, the total meds aren't even known so the answer to "how much will the insurance pay" will always be "the rest" at that point before any treatment is sought.

IF you had a choice in which coverages and/or coverage levels to purchase, as is the case with most Americans, you don't get to cast those situations into a "good" or "bad" insurance story:  They are simply what you contracted for.

Now tLIB faced what I would call a "bad" situation:  He got approval before hand, as I understand it, but afterwards, his insurance company wanted to deny the claim.  Now THAT is something we can all rightly say "it shouldn't be this way."  THAT falls under the heading you started out with:  There are good insurers and there are bad insurers."  Fortunately, tLIB did not just roll over and whine:  He fought them and they paid (but he can correct me if I'm wrong).

Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09

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Posted Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:48 PM


 

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But like tLIB is letting his experience with his insurer overshadow his opinion of the entire industry,


LOL - you crack me up. It is not just my experience that solidifies my views. Sure I have had a bad experience, but I have also seen interviews of others who have had even worse things happen. And then there are the interviews of those who work in the industry - like the lady who had to handle the calls of those who had their claims denied. And then recently Wendall Potter described the strategy from a different level.


I broke my hand a few years ago. I paid $2000 out of pocket while my insurance paid the other $18000. Are you going to add that to your view, or is it already solidified .


18K is a drop in the bucket. Some cancers can cost $500K a year. Have you tested your insurance on a claim like that? A liver transplant is incredibly expensive. There was a recent case in LA where a claim was denied. The lady was able to garner media attention and the insurance company caved in and she is alive today.

Unlike Dave, I don't think we need to overhaul the system. Sure there are some problems, but this does not mean we need to mandate this or regulate that.
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Posted Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:20 PM


 

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I am not going to quote the entire converstation here, but let me say this about government run health care.  I am getting ready to have the suprespenatis muscle and tenden reattached in surgery at NNMC Bethesda.  It will cost me ziltch, de nada, nothing.  It will be done by a very highly skilled USN Captain ortho surgeon.  The military health care used to be second to none.  However, we have been taken over by private FOR PROFIT insurance corporations and we now have to go jump through several hoops before the insurance carrier allows military docs to actually do anything for service members.  Then, the insurance corporations limit how much after care they will allow military docs to give to members.

In my opinion insurance corporations are the great satan that Islam is always talking about, not the US government.

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Posted Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:50 PM


 

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Jarhead71 (9/22/2009)
I am not going to quote the entire converstation here, but let me say this about government run health care. I am getting ready to have the suprespenatis muscle and tenden reattached in surgery at NNMC Bethesda. It will cost me ziltch, de nada, nothing. It will be done by a very highly skilled USN Captain ortho surgeon. The military health care used to be second to none. However, we have been taken over by private FOR PROFIT insurance corporations and we now have to go jump through several hoops before the insurance carrier allows military docs to actually do anything for service members. Then, the insurance corporations limit how much after care they will allow military docs to give to members.

In my opinion insurance corporations are the great satan that Islam is always talking about, not the US government.
I know the FOR PROFIT corporation about whom you speak and I agree about that company. It is indeed unfortunate they are far and away the largest health insurer around because they can (and probably have) single handedly trashed the rep of the industry.

However, even having said all that, it STILL does not merit the GOVERNMENT setting up a business and running it in direct competition with the private companies.


Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09
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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:42 AM


 

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It is just one company? You used to say that Wendell Potter's company was the bad one. Now you say that another is the bad one. You crack me up.

The problem with corporations is that it is hard to hold individuals responsible. For instance: A judge recently threw-out an agreement for BofA to pay a fine for Merrill Lynch & Co. paying executives before the purchase. The judge said it was basically a fine on the shareholders rather than those who were at fault.

When an insurance company denies a claim without merit, you can't throw that person in jail.
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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:55 AM


 

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tLIB (9/23/2009)
It is just one company? You used to say that Wendell Potter's company was the bad one. Now you say that another is the bad one. You crack me up.

The problem with corporations is that it is hard to hold individuals responsible. For instance: A judge recently threw-out an agreement for BofA to pay a fine for Merrill Lynch & Co. paying executives before the purchase. The judge said it was basically a fine on the shareholders rather than those who were at fault.

When an insurance company denies a claim without merit, you can't throw that person in jail.

I have NEVER said Wendell Potter's company was the bad one.  What I said was Wendell Potter ONLY KNEW the company he worked for and, even then, was only a Director of Communication and, so, not in any policy-making position with teh company.  But even if everything he said was true, his company's faults do NOT indict an entire industry.

It is so NOT hard to hold insurance companies accountable if you know the policy you purchased from them.  Most all insurance policies are what's called a "contract of adhesion."  That means one party to the contract came up with it ... and the other party just has to stick to it without every having had any input to it.  Because it's a contract of adhesion, the courts will interpret ANY ambiguity in the most favorable terms for the 2nd party (that's you, the insured).

So, you get denied a procedure you know is covered because you did your research before you went in... maybe even checked with your agent or maybe he sent you to the Claims department:  Whatever.  Your first step, of course, is to not let the claim adjuster get away with it.  YOU KNOW it's covered, she says it isn't, she's wrong and you know it whether or not SHE knows it.  Quote the policy to her and if that doesn't work, talk to her supervisor (have her transfer you:  You'll wait).  If she "accidentally" disconnects you, connects you to a dead phone or to the wrong person, or tries to tell you "SHE'S the supervisor" (or an innovation of that one, her supervisor isn't in until next Thursday), talk to ANY supervisor ... and if NO supervisor is around, talk to THE SUPERVISOR'S supervisor.

If you can't get satisfaction at that level, you have a couple of options:  Sue the bastidges for breach of contract (which will get you some relief, but it might take awhile), or file a complaint with, in your case, The California Department of Insurance.  The DOI takes every complaint on as a cause and gives the insurer something like 30 days to respond.  Typically, the insurer will get notice of the complaint and immediately review the file to see if their claim adjuster was right or wrong.  When they are wrong, the supervisor (again, typically) calls the insured, apologizes profusely, and pays the claim.   But, of course, there's a lot of paperwork flying back and forth during this time.

Insurance companies are so heavily regulated, they can't put in new carpeting without 27 people complaining about the noise level in the office.

Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09

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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:41 PM


 

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If you can't get satisfaction at that level, you have a couple of options: Sue the bastidges for breach of contract


That is your solution? LOL Spend the last months / years of your life in court suing the insurance company?

I say forget about the regulations you have suggested else where. Don't add one more regulation, but add a public option to take care of those types of cases.
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Posted Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:52 AM


 

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tLIB (9/23/2009)
If you can't get satisfaction at that level, you have a couple of options: Sue the bastidges for breach of contract


That is your solution? LOL Spend the last months / years of your life in court suing the insurance company?
No.

That's not "my" solution.  I listed it as ONE of the options ... you, of course, snipped it out because it fits the paradigm you've built for yourself.

Read it again.

Now that he's president, if you question his tax policies, energy plans or health-care ambitions, you are “hoping he will fail” — and that, with the help of roundabout reasoning, is tantamount to hoping we cannot transcend race. -Jonah Goldberg, 8/20/09

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